Hi Na,
There seems to be a problem with the Forum. Some postings are not being ordered according to the time of posting.
Culebron
Hello CUlebron,
I too noticed it a few days ago.. i spoke to GMAN to about it. Evidently the newer models are being kept up the top for a week or so and the older ones below that and if one starts a new thread, it doesn't get to the top at all...so anyone who posts... be aware of this. I wasn't too keen on this.. i thougth it was unfair to the posters and didn't give the older models a chance to get back to the top, but nor our threads to be on the top... so if anyone doesn't read below the top threads, chances are our threads will be missed. I think it's something like that. For once i am against something Naked Australians does. If you can understand it better than i can perhaps we can protest, especially those of us who PAY FOR THE MEMBERSHIP!!!
Sorry Cule,
Thats why i did the experiment on my sticky thread, to see if it shoots to the top... no dice it was about 5 threads down and when you post tthe older models they don't move up...if i am understanding this, these current models will stay at the top for a week or so untiil they post another model. One upset member here.
Hi Ron,
I'm afraid I agree with NA, but I'm not sure this is the best solution.
I said a very long time ago that the Forum needs to be divided into Models and Other threads. There are too many threads being posted about nothing and getting no interest or postings. I prefer just one thread per model and one thread for absolutely everything else. NA coud then control the Forum better and nobody else could create a thread.
I agree that Members should have special privileges, but with my idea, the Forum would be much easier to read and would give the models a fairer go.
I think the most recent posts should always be at the top, but with the above suggestion, that would work for everyone.
As a model myself, I would prefer my thread were easier to find and access.
When i talked with GMAN the other day, i suggested just that.. a seperate form for models and others for topics to disucss, but he said it would cost too much money at the moment. I guess i am one who stands alone on this, but it isn't fair for someone like me, who doesn't have pics... why should i be penalised for not having nude shots of me on the site? For us lowly little guys who at least attempts to put a topic up and have a few little measly comments posted about them and who don't surf the site just for the nudism it's like saying what we have to talk about isn't important... and yes i know my topics suck and don't interest anyone, but for me it is the only way i can take part in the site .. and i pay ... not just a month but the whole six months.
i realise it is Alexes and GMAN's site, but i think they should at least give everyone a fair chance regardless if we are a model or what have you. I think every model should be at the top .. why change it? I think it was fine the way it was. I can see deleting a few comments that are not desirable, but why change the way the forum is now? I commented on Rob Roy a few moments ago... he didn't move to the top... do you think tha is fair? I don't. it's enough for Naked Australians to post when they have a new model... why change it? I havn't been this upset for a long time. So maybe i won't renew my membership. Thanks Naked Australians for putting us lowly little guys at the bottom.
Oh sorry in that first paragraph of my rant... it was suppose to be something just because i don't have naked photos of myself on the site. Yes i know it's my choice to send photos, but at the moment i don't choose that. For a very long time i posted so much to the site just to be a part of it.. to show my support be it topics of nudity, or just plain stupid stuff and i guess it's the stupid stuff i post that just fills up the site with crap so saying that, i won't post anything unless i feel it's Aussie related or nudity related. I can see this doesn't seem to bother anyone else but me.. this change so to speak.
That's why I suggested there be a special thread called "Other" or "General". After all, you and I shouldn't be having this discussion in Jaclyn and Cloe's thread.
I'm not sure Rob Roy would care, but if there were a special area just for model threads then he would go to the top.
Actually, I have noticed that some models, or their friends, post just so the thread goes to the top. That's OK, as long as they have posed or paid, bit not fo some of those other posters to manipulate the thread order.
Please stay with NA, Ron. Why not do what Micheal from the NT does - do your own shoot and submit it.
Hi Cule,
yes as i was typing those last two responses and way back when Destinys thread was getting so much backlash, i thought about it then as well, having the two different forums. Howerer that said, it would take away from the disussion part of the forum then, because most people only surf the site for the nudity.
the idea has been brought up to me about the shoot... i havn't came to a decision on that yet.
Yes though, every model should get a chance to be at the top regardless if they are new or not. I remember telling Glenn that i felt it would be like one of those rate me sites, having the newer models stay at the top for any length of time, but he said it's not like that at all.. So if i go to a certain model i bet he won't go to the top after the allowed time for the new models to be there.
yes a models shoot should be just that, discussion on that model be it positive, or negative.. not what is going on now.. so i better shut up.
okay shoot me... so Richard is a new model having been added on the 12th of May, why isn't he in the top... my point of popularity contest so to speak.
Our members have been really busy thrashing this topic out since we last checked in and let us say how flattered we are that our friends care so much about the changes we make here at Naked Australians.
Clearly an explanation is required.
Recently we made a number of internal changes to our site, many of which are not visible to viewers. However, these changes mean that many new, first time visitors will enter Naked Australians via the Naked Forum rather than the usual home page.
Our statisitics show that new visitors usually stay an extremely short time when they first visit our site so we are very aware of a need to capture their attention as quickly as possibly to keep them flicking through our pages. Therefore, we have made a decision to pin our latest models to the top of the forum. Likewise, important information which has, in the past, become lost (such as previews etc) will also be pinned from time to time.
This is in absolutely no way a move based on the popularity of models. We have always avoided any type of model comparison information even though we often get e-mails from visitors (and even the occassional model) asking that we release stats to indicate which models are the most popular. We feel very strongly that Naked Australians is not about popularity - it is a place where we try to make people feel proud of themselves. We don't think models need to know how they 'rate' in comparison with other models to feel good about the photography they helped produce.
To clear up any confusion, topics will still fly to the top of the list if they are replied to. The only difference now is, the list begins below the 'sticky' topics. Usually, we think there are likely to be only about three topics 'stuck' at any given time.
The sticky topics will shuffle around amongst themselves, depending on which one was replied to last.
It seems the major concern here is that older models won't ever be able to climb to the top of the list because of the new sticky topics. We don't agree with this. If an older model is commented on, he or she will still go to the top of the list - the list simply now begins in a different place. Also, the sticky threads will allow us to bring older models back. From time to time we will highlight an older model by sticking them at the top to shift some focus onto them.
We do understand that a change like this can be a bit strange at first because you have come to know how the forum works so well. But this was a very necessary change. We were frustrated when we had an imporant topic up, when we would see it slide down the page because it might not have been the type of topic that needed a reply. For example, GMAN often posts previews - most people love the previews but don't really feel a need to reply. Therefore, they would often sink away and new visitors, or even regulars who had been away for a few weeks, would completely miss out on seeing this type of post. We are happy to now have the ability to pin it at the top so it cannot fall away.
In saying all of this, the changes still might be irritating to some members. We do respect that and take it on board. That is, in fact, why we added the little pin icon tonight to partly clear up the confusion. But we ask everyone to give these changes some time before you make up your mind. Hopefully with some time, you will come to see the benefit of the changes.
Hi Culebron and Ron,
I understand both points exactly and i see Naked Australians point. Howerver, might i make a suggestion? Since the older models, the ones who have been on here for a while, really only go to the top below the four main topics, why doesn't the administration refamiliarise the public with the older models? In other words, put an older model at one of the sticky topics. This will help give the older models fresh viewers and not hide them in the back pages of the forum. While you may want a fresh new model to capture the eye of someone, it would seem fair that at least one of the older models get a fair chance at the main four topics. This could be done about once every week, or how often the page changes. That way no one can say that it is a popularity contest or show any favouritism from the staff of this site. Just a thought in all fairness.. Would this seem to be a fair decision?
Yes, it's a great idea and one that had already crossed our minds. We won't be doing it just yet as four topics is plenty to be stuck at any given time. But in the future, for sure.
Hi Naked Admin,
what i meant was to post three new topics or models at the top and then one older model with the three, making it four.
Greetings Jim,
Well after all my raving, i like your idea very much, but after reading what the Admin has written, i understand it much better.
Hi NA, Ron and Jim,
I appreciate what NA is trying to do and why, and I think this is a step in the right direction. However, I think there are two fundamental flaws with the way the Forum has been functioning up until now - 1. anyone can create a thread, and 2. the model threads are being pushed out by the large number of reader created threads.
I still believe that there shoud be a separate section for model threads, or NA created threads if you prefer, and another section for reader created threads. I suggested a single reader thread called "General" but nobody seems to like that idea.
So, how about leaving the "Naked Forum" for reader inititiated threads and create a new section called Model Forum (situated between Model Galleries and Naked Forum in the menu)? Only NA could create threads in this section, but anyone could post comments. NA could control the order of threads in this section in any way it wished (most recent, most popular, current promotions or whatever).
I have to admit that I usually have little or no interest in the general threads that are created in the Forum. The one you are reading now was created by NA, not by me, but with my name on it because this discussion was taking place in one of the model threads. Most general threads receive few if any comments, and probably not too many hits either.
I've been out of town for the weekend hence the delay in replying to you guys.
Hi Culebron,
You yourself admitted that you don't take part, if any, in the general discussion threads.. so why have them? They seem a very waste of time if no one answers them and could care two cents about them. Why not just get rid of the bloody thing and have done with it and there won't be any rants like Rons here anymore to cause so much trumoil for the site. Why allow that crap on this forum. It should be for the models and for people who want to comment on the models.
Hi Jim,
Well I was suggesting a compromise - a single thread for non model related threads, or a separate section entirely.
I don't think Ron is a ranter at all - he's a valued contributor to NA. It's all those other silly irrelevant threads that I have no interest in.
The models have to get absolute priority, I totally agree.
Thanks for kind of coming to my defense there. Honestly though, i was ranting about a very huge misunderstanding. I have been going through some things lately and sometimes my jumping to conclusions can get the best of me. Jim, i respect your opinions, but i also think it was a little harsh how you reacted to me. I may not be the most perfect person in the world, but i don't think i deserved that response. Do i take things heart? Yes sometimes too much, but i have always remained true to my feelings about things. If you knew me, you would come to realise that i am a pretty good guy and i am not meaning to sound conceited, but that's pure honesty.
I've shifted my response to your post on the Innocence thread to here because this is where it really should be.
I'm not having a go at you, nor do I want you to stop posting to the NA Forum. I'm just trying to improve the Forum so that posting to the models aren't seriously affected by postings on other subjects. I think my idea of two Forums - a Model Forum for the model threads and a Naked Forum for all other threads should do that in a fair and equitable way.
You probably don't know that I live statistics, and I'm sure NA isn't aware of that either. I just did some analysis of the Forum and came up with the following (approximately):
Total number of Forum threads = 340
Number of model threads = 90 (25%)
In other words there have been 250 non model threads (75%)
Number of Forums posts = 2,800
Number of Forum views = 360,000
Average number of views per thread = 130
The average number of comments is about the same for model and non model threads
The average number of views per model and non model thread is also about the same
25% of all threads have 0 or 1 comments
People are much more likely to view a thread than to comment on it
So, the message is that non model threads are valuable, but model and non model threads should be segregated.
Culebron :-)
i just give up. If a different forum page is needed... go ahead.
have a good evening
Hello Cule,
i am not sure where to begin, but i guess i should apologise for all this senseless raving. It's hard to explain why i went off the deep end, but all i will say is that i had a very scary thing happen to me a week ago and so many thoughts were mounting up in my own world that i lashed out here, which is not what this forum is for. It all makes sense really and i realise it is not an OUT TO GET RON thing.... and i took it so personally. I lashed out at everyone and even my best friend felt the whip of it. Today was the climax while i was at work.. but i won';t go into that. I am suppose to be an adult and i really have acted like an egotistical bitch. I have made some good friends here and i do cherish them very much, but the one i cherish the most is my best friend, who pointed out to me the other day that perhaps he knows me better than i know myself. I think that is true on the most part.
I did nothing but waste time and space with this tirade and i apologise to all, especially the Naked staff. i love you guys.
sincerely,
Ron
No offence taken. I hope your personal problem resolves itself soon.
I am sure it will. thanks. are there little icons here somewhere?
I'll let you in on a little secret - NA adds the little icons manually. They also seem to confuse me with one of the models occasionally...
Culebrob
COOL they love to confuse and tease
