Admin note: Due to the hysteria you can read below, this gallery has been removed indefinitely. 12/04/2010.

What's the go with Nick and Dan. This is'nt Naked Australians, is it ?

I could'nt believe my eyes. I'm loking at it and I still can't believe it.

This takes everything to a completely whole new level to say the least. 

What's the go with Nick and Dan ? This is a bit much isn't it ?

This puts the site on a whole new level. Wow where are we going ?

I'm looking at it but I still can't believe it. Wow. 

As an out gay man I personally don't have any issues with the "Nick and Dan" pics.  I do agree that is really pushes the envelope though.  NA were these pics submitted by the models or "downloaded" from a public site?

I am interested in the views of the female subscribers to Naked Australians and also what the straight men think?

Lets keep the comments constructive though. :)

Cheers

hey guys i've got to say I'm rather shocked at what i've seen. since doing my shoot on here several years aago, i've noticed the site's standards have seemed to be getting more & more open, downgraded, & much more risque than i ever thought it would get. got to say i'm not liking what i see with this kind of photo group put up. as a straight man, it really does dispturb me. honestly i'm not fussed what happens behind closed doors or closed windows but for a site such as this, thinking it's going form a point of being happily naked to out & out sexual i think is getting too much. loving between male/female couples ok, but between male/male or the other way of female/female (though i guess it does have somewhat more appeal) is beyond what i thought would have been beyond the mission of this site.

sorry if anyone disagrees but that's my 2 cents. i've still been dropping in on the site for a while. normally i wouldn't have commented but this is too much.

Ted

Hi,

Personally, I'm only interested in the Exclusive Models section of Naked Australians, and I think the so called Amateur Models section should be dropped. Having said that, I don't much care what gets published in that section. I'm also more interested in the way the Exclusive Models section has been developing, albeit much slower than it should. I would also like to see more regular and more frequent postings of original content. It's what this site does best, and more importantly, most originally.

Rob Roy

how cool to have the same name as the guy in the shoot. But seriously some of you people have to get into the real world. Homosexuality isn't only "behind closed doors" anymore. It's been around since the beginning of time and finally we're becoming evolved enough to not be threatened or disgusted by it. There's plenty of women on here getting sexy y'all so why has this generated all this talk? If you don't like it, don't look at it. I don't geenrally look at the females but I am also not disgusted or upset by them. I just look at what i like. The Nick and Dan photos are very hot and brave for Naked Aussies. I just don't get some people. They are happy if their tastes are being met but if 'poofs' are catered for then there's all hell. Luckily, I think most straight men and women reading this wouldn't give two hoots in this day and age. The ones who get upset have been brought up in some very backwards way and their parents have a lot to answer for.You don't have to enjoy it, like it or look at it but Jesus, respect that God created a lot of different people in this world and these photos just cater for some differnt tastes.

Thanks Jonno for creating this topic and to everyone who has replied. We don't normally create forum threads for 'amateur' galleries but, clearly, this is a set of pics which has touched a 'naked' nerve.

After posting a poll some days ago, we were a little amused. We asked our audience what content they would like to see more of here at Naked Australians and the response, thus far, is utterly fractured. Some people suggested we stick with natural nudity, much as we have done for some years now. However, a collective majority asked us to take our content to a new level. The poll, coupled with e-mails we receive, clearly shows that there is a great part of our audience who enjoy sexual content. As to the exact type of sexual content, well you can have a look at the poll for yourself.

So what's to do?

We decided to trial a more 'risque' gallery. We acted on the basis that a few 'mature' galleries wouldn't necessarily mean we were turning our back on straight, natural nudity. Indeed, you only need to look through our site to see we absolutely balloon with thousands of images of wholesome nudity, with no sexual overtones at all. So what would be the harm in throwing a bit of sexual content in as well, so people could choose what they viewed? What would be the harm? That's what we wanted to find out.

Some of you would have noticed that a very small percentage of our exclusive models have chosen to get  a little racy over the past year. We always let models go with the flow during their shoots. Our philosophy is, if the model wants to go further, we'll shoot it. But there's never any pressure.

It's a good thing, Jonno, that you started this thread. We would like to gauge the opinion of our audience. Is this a case of people choosing to look at the galleries they enjoy or is the mature content just offensive and out of place?

Keep posting your replies and vote in our poll. We'll be eagerly reading your thoughts.

Hi Ted

It has been interesting to read the comments on this topic so far.  While I respect yours, and everyone else right to an opinion on this topic,  I would like to take issue with one thing you said in your post.

Your comment on man/woman love being ok and man/man or woman/woman not being ok hit a raw nerve with me.  It smacks of homophobia, double standards and discrimination.  I can fully accept your stance on the standard of pics on the site. But, if man/man or woman/woman love is not OK by you then man/woman love should not be OK. 

If you are saying that this level of sexual intimacy is not OK on a site like this then I respect your opinon.  If your opinion is based on who is making love and not the pictures of the act itself then I can not agree and would seriously ask you to rethink your position on the grounds of "all being equal" and not your current position of "some being more equal than others". My words not yours but I think you understand what I am getting at.

Cheers

Well i do not see a problem with the pics they are great. people need to know that we no longer live in the 21st century now and things change people need to more open about gays. so to the straight guys out there that have a problem with the images it is simple just dont look at them.

The replies so far to this thread have been interesting to say the least. To generate so many in just a very short space of time is very interesting also.

I am of the opinion that there is nothing wrong with this collection of photos. It shows a relationship between two people and it does'nt matter if the couple are gay or straight.

I respect all of the views expressed so far. I think what is needed here is for Naked Australians to create a separate section where the more explicit photo shoots can be displayed so as not to offend or upset those of us who don't wish to view such material.

Call the separate section XXX or sexual content corner or the like. I really think this would satisfy all comers (no pun intended) and to my way of thinking would be the only fair thing to do especially when it is quite clear that there is a great deal of support out there for Naked Australians to branch out into other area.

We recently saw the bondage shoot involving Master D and Mr. Mysterion. This shoot, I think was somewhat restrained and did not go as far it could have, probably not to offend those of us who are not into that kind of thing. A separate section could accommodate shoots such as Master D and Mister Mysterion and Nick and Dan and offend no one.

I feel we are really moving forward, keep up the good work Naked Australians.

Johnno.      

Hi NA,

I will post my comments here, but perhaps there shoud be a new thread related to the recent survey on what type of content people would like to see on NA. I only saw the survey myself because you referred to it here, and I have responded. However, I would have liked to tick several boxes, but this wasn't possible.

I have already said that I don't mind what content appears on NA, as long as it's produced by NA itself. That is, I don't see much point in reproducing material here which may appear elsewhere, or which wasn't produced especially for NA.

So, as far as developing new content is concerned, go for it. I always liked The Big Surprise and Bad Santa, and the more recent Master D and Mr Mysterion was also interesting.

I agree that it should be up to the model, and I for one can confirm that there is no pressure whatsoever.

Rob Roy

Ted is an idiot. I can't believe people still think like you. You really should be forced into the back of a van when you least expect it and forced to live amongst gay people for 5 years. You might then learn that a person's sexuality doesn't make them frightening or disgusting or wrong. Those things exist among people of all sexualities. There you are in another thread saying how hard it is for you to be accepted as a nudist and how difficult it is to explain to people why you feel the way you do. You scratch your head and wonder why people can't just accept that you have a preference. Can't you see the irony of you suggesting that gay people should keep their sexuality behind closed doors. You are a terribly ignorant dickhead and exactly the type of person that, when you find a group of likeminded morons, make it so hard for people of alternative sexualities to live freely and happily. And you're just the type who'd dismiss that and think you don't stop anyone from living anyway they choose. You are so stupid you don't even realise your attitude destroys souls.

Oh, and you've also got the tiniest dick of any of the models here on Naked Australians.

Darrell, sure Ted is upset by the changing standards of Naked Australians but let's face it, anyone with half a brain can read between the lines. He stopped himself from going too far but he let his values well and truly out of the bag. He's much more concerned by the 'gay theme' than the actual adult nature of the pictures. What a complete arse. I'm not signing up to naked Australians again based solely on the idea that Ted is one of the supposed models. Yuck. What a terrible person.

Good on you Blake for speaking your mind and having your say about Ted's contribution. But by the same token Ted is entitled to his opinion. It's called democracy. I don't see the logic in punishing Naked Australians by not re signing ever again because someone has a differing philosophy on life. What will that achieve ? Answer: NOTHING, NIL, ZIP. Keep viewing the site and continue voicing your opinion. Who knows you may just change a few minds along the way.  

Live and let live.

Johnno. 

Of course we have to keep speaking up!

and what a surprise. mr masculinity himself doesn't have the balls to reply.

That's all a bit much Blake. Using name-calling to accuse someone of being narrow-minded doesn't make much sense.

We have little doubt that the issue some people had with this set of photographs was far more to do with the homosexual content than with their 'adult' nature. We have had a long chat here about it all and decided to close the gallery.

It's all a bit confusing. On one hand we've closed this down but on the other, some of our most popular models have got quite racy and sexual in their galleries. Granted, no intercourse as yet. But if we've displayed masturbation then why is consensual sex an issue? If you look in our amateur 'volume' galleries, there's plenty of women and men being overtly sexual.

It was an interesting experiment to say the least.

Spot on Naked Admin.

There is nothing wrong with sex between two people whether it be straight or gay.

As I stated previously a separate section should be created on the site to accommodate such shoots.

Also as someone else stated these shoots should be " home grown " . They then would be of some significance. To just post any old pictures would be defeating the whole idea of the site.

Just a thought. What do you think Naked Admin. ?

Johnno.

Well we strongly believe that Naked Australians should continue to post non-exclusive content sourced from around the world. Our 'amateur' series are not our own work but are amazingly popular. Surely you've looked through these galleries with some interest yourself?

We like to think we only post the very best of photos from around the world.

Hi NA,

I have no problem with you posting third party content, but I have no interest in it myself. Also I don't think it should substitute for original material. If it gets customers in the door, fine, but I believe it's NA's original content that does that best. I've said this before, but original content has to be produced frequently and regularly to maintain the customers' interest. The Internet is full of non original, boring, free content.

As for the debate about NA's direction, my only issue with Nick and Dan was that it was not original content. If this had been Master D and Mr Mysterion, you probably wouldn't have received as many complaints either, although you need to take things slowly. For example, there hasn't yet been a heterosexual couple on NA being intimate, so sexual intercourse would come as a surprise as well.

Rob Roy

Thanks N/A for your prompt reply. Prompt but not complete. The question of a separate section remains.

The question of Nick and Dan being home grown, local content or imported, foreign content is probably irrelevant (although home grown is preferable, to me anyway), if it had been in a separate "sealed" section so to speak, a part of the site where one can expect to see such material then no-one, nobody at all would have been offended and we would not be having this discussion at this time.

A place on the site, clearly marked as containing sexually explicit material. Entirely segregated from the model galleries. If a subscriber enters this area and is offended then it is entirely their own fault and does not have the right to complain thus avoiding any further displeasure from followers of the site.

What do you think N/A ? Is it worth pursuing or not ?

Johnno.   

It's not a bad idea Johnno - it certainly has its merits and, realistically, we may even end up going down that road.

Thanks again N/A for your prompt reply.

I fully agree with everything you have said. Human nature being what it is, yes, you would have to be completely naive to think for one second that these complainants would not enter a separate section for the sole purpose of getting an eye full so as to complain to one and all.

But you seem to have missed the POINT. The point being, I stated that if these subscribers enter the separate section which is CLEARLY LABELLED as to the type of material contained within then they DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. That little detail makes ALLTHE DIFFERENCE. That little detail makes Naked Australians NOT RESPONSIBLE for any of these people being offended, the ONUS for them being offended is squarely upon their OWN shoulders.

Naked Australians then has not only DONE the right thing, they have been SEEN to have done the right thing. A very, very important concept in public relations and when dealing with this category of people.

These complainants then FORFEIT any right to complain about being offended by such material and therefore hold NO CREEDENCE with Naked Admin. or any other fair minded subscriber and as a result DO NOT have the luxury of expecting a reply to their unjustified complaint.

I do hope this assists you N/A with this contentious issue.

PS. I am wide awake N/A and I do know what coffee smells like.

Cheers, Johnno.    

Stupid that these are gone very STUPID.

Im with you Ian I think it is dumb. Is this 2010 or 1950. Put them back on.

Exactly. Cant believe they would even argue over this. one day theyll look back and wont believe they gave in to some inbreds with a homophobic attitude,

Strange how there has been no comments at all on this very contentious subject since April 17. Not one comment in nearly 3 weeks. One wonders what all the fuss was about.

Since it would seem that no one is interested in bagging it any more, lets get real and get the gallery back up and running.

While your at it N/A why not introduce some of the forward thinking shown in the Nick and Dan gallery into the exclusive model gallery. Lets see galleries like Master D and Mister Mysterion and Lilly and Jake expand with a more explicit and adult theme.

I believe the demand is there, so why not ?

Bill 

Hi Bill and Ian,

There are more issues to consider than just the introduction of more erotic content into the model galleries. Primarily we need to consider the models are truly people from the community. Not everyone wants to pose in the way you are asking for. We have a no pressure policy at Naked Australians; if a model chooses to pose in a sexual way then we go down that path with them and openly celebrate their sexuality and hope they find it very  erotic to be seen this way but equally if a model decides to take a different approach and pose less provocatively then we support that decision too and celebrate that path with the person involved.

Thats one of the really cool things about being a photographer for Naked Australians; you never quite know who will walk in the door of the studio until they arrive. We certainly don't know how they will behave in front of the camera until the lights are turned on and we get the camera out. Some people love to be really out there and very much like to be wickedly sexual others are more reserved and its just a huge achievment for them to be seen naked by hundreds of strangers.

Either way all our models are on a journey and all of them have different personal reasons to pose naked for us but every one of them is respected and valued by us for their choice to pose for our cameras. We love the diversity they bring to our site every new gallery is unique to that person so neither us or our membership know what is going to happen with each new face.

It's also not only about the model. The photographer has to agree to the content of the shoot and believe it or not even I have rules in the studio about what I will accept and what I will personally be comfortable to shoot. I am not saying that I won't shoot the content you are asking about but this is not  the place to discuss my photographic limitations suffice to say that before a shoot begins we all have a coffee and talk about the parameters of the shoot so it is very clear what we can all expect  the result  will be that way.

Remember  fella's this is just my answer; I am the primary photographer but I am not the only photographer who shoots for Naked Australians. Alex may have a different perspective and he might find time to give you his answer too but he is very busy.

I sincerely hope this helps out in some way with making it clearer how we approach things.

Thanks for your great input and the chance to chat with you on the forum.

Best Wishes

Gman

Ps. When can we expect you to sign up for a shoot? We'd love to have you join our models anytime...

Well i certainly missed something.. there will  always be double standards in the world.. and dare i say it.. there are still a lot of closed minded individuals in the world. I thought the world was supposed to progress ahead, not push itself back decades.  Everyone  has an opinion and yes it should be respected, but it doesn't mean someone, or something has to suffer because one feels one is more right than the other.   The only thing i would ever question any site about is if the person is underage..other than that it should be left on the particular site.  I think Naked Australians should have left the shoot up, and put  a warning about its contents, then if someone decided to look at it and they didn't like it.. then they could just keep their mouth shut. Talk about segregation.. holy hell. 

Hello N/A.

I feel it is high time that you reintroduce Nick and Dan.

N/A has made some real progress in the interveening months since Nick and dan was first introduced.  Shoots such as The Office, Master D and Mister Mysterion and Brin and Andrew have been really ground breaking.

I feel there is a need for a gallery such as this. The time is right. There is definately a large slice of the membership that would appreciate it's return and whose needs deserve to be catered for.

Let us know what you think. 

I never got to see Nick and Dan...it was gone before I was around here...personally, I would love to see the gallery.

Belle

No reply as yet from Naked Admin.

No reply as yet from any of the outraged punters who were so vocal at the time.

Don't you all agree that it is high time that this gallery was reinstated ?

It is 2011 after all.

Come on, lets see some movement here. Lets see some leadership from N/A, or is it all a bit too much ?

Is it a case of let's let sleeping dogs lie ?

If it is, then shame on you N/A for not being up to the job of posessing the will and foresight needed to break down the barriers and prejudices so blatently displayed which have so far prevented this gallery from being enjoyed by subscribers.

Come on N/A, it's time, let's see some action. 

Well this is very interesting, is'nt it.

Very interesting indeed.

No reply from N/A, not a peep, no reply from anybody for that matter.

It was such a big deal back then, not so much now it would seem.

Where are all of the protesters that voiced their opinion so strongly, both for and against.

This must be a worrying sign N/A. I think the protestors are still out there, they are just not visiting the site anymore. When you take a really good look at the forum, there is very little comment.

A sign of the times maybe, time will tell.

lol, I was just checking the site...and I was like, nothing, nothing, nothing...I was thinking "somebody, please say something!!! somewhere! anywhere!...and then...OMG I saw comment and here it is just here!  I think people may be here...but don't seem to get into commenting?? I don't know...

Hi Belle,

Wishful thinking Belle. The situation was once that if someone was there they would definately comment, especially on this subject.

I'm afraid that there is nobody out there anymore. The grandstand is empty. Hell, the whole stadium is empty.

By the way, love your work, you are one very special, sexy lady.

Hi Jimmy.

I'm also still out here, although probably in the change rooms rather than in the grandstand or on the field at the moment.

I know you understand the importance for comments in the Forum, but for everyone (anyone?) else who's reading this, the models really do appreciate feedback. Unfortunately, not all models get involved in the Forum themselves, and I believe they should. The members might just come to appreciate communicating with the models through this medium as well.

Thanks for your feedback!

Rob Roy

Hi Culebron (Rob Roy)

It looks like I was wrong. Two seats in the grandstand are occupied, yourself and the beautiful Belle. Having said that, it is'nt exactly a match winning crowd that will inspire a victory on the field.

Until my communication and that of the beautiful Belle and yourself there had not been a posting since January 18 or there abouts.

Where have all the punters gone ? The Nick and Dan subject caused such an uproar way back in April last year, yet not one person has posted a comment this time around.

There seems to be zero interest in the site and the galleries. What's going on ? The galleries are well done. The themes are very interesting and thought provoking, yet they are raising no interest among the membership. They don't seem to be worthy of attracting coment.

The office featuring yourself was excellent, Belle's solo effort was mind blowing, Mr. Mysterion is very different and exciting and so on and so on, yet they attract little or no comment.

Lets see some discussion amongst the subscribers, let N/A know what you think, lets make the forum and the site interesting again. Unzip your gobs and get into it  !

As I said before the office was excellent. The three of you were outstanding. Well done. 

Hi Jimmy,

Once again, thanks for the positive feedback.

Feedback from NA suggest that although the Forum is very quiet, this doesn't mean that there are no members, nor that they are looking at the galleries. I understand that NA has access to that kind of information.

I have a view that the format of the Forum doesn't encourage feedback. There are too many threads, and it's too disorganised. It's one of the reasons the "pins" were introduced a few years ago, but it doesn't appear to have helped. I woud like to see some structure - perhaps one thread for general comment like this that's always at the top; then a section of threads just for the models - oner per model, or one per gallery; after that I don't particularly care - threads for unrelated topics don't interest me, but they can exist as long as they are in a separate area of the Forum.

Where are you from Jimmy, Australia?

Rob Roy

Hi Culebron,

It seems that you and I and of course the beautiful Belle have the forum all to ourselves.

I appreciate and fully understand what you are saying, but at the same time you can't ignore the fact that newly posted galleries are hardly attracting any interest.

In the past a newly posted gallery drew much attention, discussion and comments, not so these days. The Nick and Dan gallery for example ran hot with heated comments. Now when I have tried to raise interest with a view to possible reinstatement because I feel the time is right for that to happen, interest is total zero.

There has been some galleries appear of late that can only be described as "out there". The Master D & Mr. Mysterion gallery for example was ground breaking, not a lot of interest shown. Mr Mysterion's solo effort, again not a ripple. Your office gallery, once again a luke warm response. This has been the case for almost all of the galleries of late. In the past these would attract numerous responses.

It makes the forum a boring place to visit. On the bright side, things can only get better.

Hi Jimmy,

Just a quick note to say thankyou for all your wonderful compliments made in reference to my galleries.  And just a reminder..."I" expressed my interest in Nick and Dan...so there's one response, albeit the only one...!

Belle

Still no news on Nick and Dan. Will they return or not. If so, when ? If not , why not ? Why won't anybody talk about the subject ? Come on N/A, what is happening ?

Those comment we made were in a completely different context Stuart - related to photographer Spencer Tunick.

This thread is a seperate issue. We might even bring this gallery back depending on the feedback.

PS - You know we love you right?