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Naked Reporter |
November 26, 2011, 5:35 am |
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| Stuart Baanstra |
November 29, 2011, 6:33 pm |
| Did you know Spencer Tunick isn't even a nudist? Stuart. |
| Naked Admin |
November 29, 2011, 11:45 pm |
I don't think Tunik has ever advocated for the nudist lifestyle. He is a photographer and artist first and foremost. To his credit, he got nude for one mass shoot back about 10 years ago. |
| Stuart Baanstra |
November 30, 2011, 2:55 am |
| Dear Naked Admin, my concern is not so much whether Spencer Tunick is an artist or not, but how much money he's making. His fees are high, and then there's the limited edition prints that sell for tens of thousands of dollars. It sounds to me like exploitation of the human body. Stuart. |
| Naked Admin |
November 30, 2011, 5:18 am |
Artists are entitled to trade their art as a commodity surely? What's wrong with Spencer doing well for himself financially?
Naked Australians charges a subscription fee to view naked images. What's the difference between us and Tunik? |
| Stuart Baanstra |
November 30, 2011, 6:22 am |
| Of course Spencer is entitled to do well financially, but the shortfall of trading nudity is it places it in the hands if the political right, and they're all about suppressing it. I mean, Tunick's art won't even save nude beaches. They'll go anyway, due to allegations of gay beats and perversion. As for Naked Australians benefiting financially in the same way as Tunick, you do have a point. Stuart. |
| Gman |
November 30, 2011, 8:13 am |
I sell my work too.......hopefully for a very high price as often as possible.
HHHMMMM does that make me bad.......oh gosh I'm a terrible person; now I'm gonna need more therapy |
| Naked Admin |
November 30, 2011, 3:33 pm |
You know we love you Stuart but . . . well . . . come on! Spencer Tunik cannot be blamed for handing public nudity into the hands of a particular political faction! Give us a break.
The reason you have pricked a nerve with us is that your criticism is very similar to one that is directed at us regularly by "true nudists". We are accused of undermining the nudist cause because we ask people to pay to look at the nudity on our site. Yet, unless we charged a subscription, we could not afford to pay for the website, travel expenses, the cost of cameras, props or the occasional bit of food/drink for the models. Without a fee, there would be no Naked Australians - a site which promotes nudity as normal. You'd think the nudists should love our content and philosophy right?
The fact is, supporters of nudism often throw stones at the very individuals and organisations that promote their cause. You included, Stuart. In Naked Australians, nudists have a web site that is telling a global community that nude is not rude. That everyday people should get naked and show it off to anyone who cares to look. It's the same powerful message nudists like yourself try to get across - and we preach it to thousands of viewers each day - yet the only people who seem to criticise this site are nudists.
It's the same with Tunik. This is a man who has normalised nudity across the generations and around the world. He - one man - has done more to generate discussion about nakedness than anyone else on the planet. Yet you, and others who want to see nudity more commonplace, shout the poor man down.
It is our observation - and we believe it's a correct one - that nudism will never be accepted in Australia until it is disassociated from the crack-loon element. Most Aussies believe nudists to be oddballs. After doing this work for more than 5 years, Naked Australians tends to agree. Many nudists are judgemental eccentrics who want to own and direct the nudist movement. That's a bit ironic considering nudity is meant to lead to individualism and liberation.
What a shame the vocal nudist loons appear to speak on behalf of the very many beautiful nudists we have met. People who don't fuss but just strip off quietly and enjoy the naked lifestyle without sitting in judgement.
And you mention nude beaches never having a chance to be legalised because of the perception that they are places of perversion and sexual activity. Let's just cut the bullshit. We shoot on nude beaches all around the place and although there are many nudists enjoying themselves normally, we've never seen such hotbeds of public sex.
Stuart, you and other nudists should simmer down with the criticisms of people and clubs that share your mission. Public shame of nudity is not the number one obstacle in the way of your movement. Your biggest hurdle is the people who already believe in your cause. |
| Stuart Baanstra |
December 1, 2011, 4:40 am |
| Dear Naked Australians, I stand by my assertion that Spencer rolled over to the establishment with his first big pay cheque. The same happened with Mardi Gras. It's no longer about gay people, but government and its control over them. As for nude beaches, I agree there is a "crackpot element" in traditional nudist culture vilifying gay people and single men. Exactly what will happen as a result of these allegations, I don't know. Stuart. |
| Stuart Baanstra |
December 1, 2011, 9:34 pm |
| Gmann, how about some therapy with me? I want you to do my next photoshoot, while I lube myself and insert my finger, wiggling it in and out! Stuart. |
| Gman |
December 2, 2011, 3:53 am |
Hmmm Stuart.....what can I say.........I've asked my wife and she is not very keen on the idea and says it would be better if I just stick to doing the photos lol |
| Stuart Baanstra |
December 3, 2011, 1:28 am |
| Gman, I thought you were straight! Do you accept that cultural, as well as biological influences, determine a person's sexuality? Do you further accept that, in a naked world, people might not be heterosexual? Stuart. |